White Tuna?

topic posted Sun, November 20, 2005 - 11:24 AM by  Mama B
here in central pennsylvania, where we're staying temporarily, you don't get much sushi at all. but there is one restaurant in harrisburg we go to, and it serves some fish we never had before in all of our sushi experiences. i asked the waitress what it was, and she said it was "white tuna." it was meatier than regular tuna yet soft and buttery, melting in the mouth. we couldn't believe it was tuna. then i tried googling it and found a debate as to whether it was albacore tuna, or just another part of the tuna. we then had it again at sushi kim in pittsburgh. but like i said, we've never had it anywhere else.

two questions--do other sushi restaurants serve it, but it's just one of those things that's not on the menu and you have to ask for? or is this a pennsylvania regional thing (which would be really weird, i think).
and, does anyone know exactly what it is--if it is in fact another part of the tuna, or if it's albacore?

thanks.
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Mama B
Vancouver
  • Re: White Tuna?

    Sun, November 20, 2005 - 11:26 AM
    Shiro maguro is very common in San Francisco sushi restaurants. It's one of my favorites.
    • Re: White Tuna?

      Sun, November 20, 2005 - 11:29 AM
      is that the name for white tuna, or albacore? i'm confused, because i don't think this was albacore--this was very different from albacore tuna i've had, the kind you eat with ponzu sauce. the texture of this particular piece of fish was more like mackerel (saba), but the taste was, like i said, buttery and sweet.
      • Re: White Tuna?

        Sun, November 20, 2005 - 11:50 AM
        I'm sure some of the other tribe members have some good technical info to answer your question.

        I just know that shiro maguro is frequently referred to as albacore tuna. It is much lighter in color, has a creamy soft texture, and definitely tastes different from maguro.
        • Re: White Tuna?

          Sun, November 20, 2005 - 12:53 PM
          after a little more internet digging, my husband and i figured out that the fish is escolar, which is super high in fat, causing a laxative effect in many people, but we haven't experienced that--probably because we only ate a couple pieces, and those experiencing diarrhea ate larger, cooked quantities. it apparently is popularly called "white tuna" on the east coast, though there's no relation to tuna.

          Here's one explanation, which comes from www.catalinaop.com/sushifish.htm:
          Albacore: Our Sushi grade albacore is known as shiro maguro in sushi bars. Albacore is from the tuna family, and it is considered the white tuna in Japan. In the east coast white tuna usually refers to escolar.
          • Unsu...
             

            Re: White Tuna?

            Sun, November 20, 2005 - 7:56 PM
            white tuna in Japan is usually called "bincho".

            if you ask for "shiro maguro" in tokyo, you will get a lot of blank looks in return.
    • Re: White Tuna?

      Thu, February 7, 2008 - 10:58 AM
      White tuna is a term that may apply to two different species eaten in Japanese cuisine :

      * Albacore tuna, Thunnus alalunga - the pale-fleshed tuna favoured by the canning industry, also known as shiro maguro, bin-naga maguro, or bincho maguro
      * Escolar, Lepidocybium flavobrunneum - which is a snake mackerel, not a tuna. It has been banned in some countries, including Japan, because of the laxative effect of the wax esters in its flesh.

      "Super white tuna" refers to the escolar but not the albacore.

      Escolar is consumed in several European and Asian countries, as well as in the USA, sometimes raw as sushi or sashimi. It may be sold as "white tuna" - a term also used for the albacore - or as "super white tuna" to distinguish it from the albacore.[1] Escolar is also sold misleadingly as "butterfish", "oilfish" and "Hawaiian butter fish"; in Hawaii and Fiji, it is known as walu. Like oilfish, a related species with similar consumption consequences, Escolar is also sometimes deceptively sold under the name of an entirely different species of fish, most commonly "codfish" or "orange roughy".
  • Re: White Tuna?

    Sun, November 20, 2005 - 2:35 PM
    domo domo domo ah yea the white albacore (shiro maguro) like BUTTA! just had some yesterday...lightly seared on the edges with the garlic...uhhhhhhhhh
  • Re: White Tuna?

    Sat, March 10, 2007 - 11:15 AM
    Here on the west coast " White Tuna " is mostly found in sushi bars that have Korean sushi. I don't know why this is but it seems to hold true around here. I have tried to research what the heck kinda of fish it really is . The best I can do is that is part of the mackeral family and not Tuna . The evidence is pointing towards " Wahoo"

    Rich
    • Re: White Tuna?

      Thu, February 7, 2008 - 2:22 PM
      Strictly Speaking COLOR of the fish:
      Which is the semi-translucent, and which is the *actually opaque* white?

      I've had the semi-translucent "white tuna" for decades...but only this past year been sevred the *actually white in color* tuna - which was REALLY delicious!
      • BEWARE

        Fri, May 23, 2008 - 6:02 PM
        I love sushi, and I've never gotten sick from it. BUT-- please beware of white tuna/escolar. I have had it before in small portions with no problems. A couple days ago I had the white tuna (not albacore) sashimi at one of my favorite, reputable, sushi restaurants. This was in a little bit of a higher portion. Here is the gross part-- I experienced an orange oily leakage.. not fun. Definitely embarrassing, horrifying, and messy... luckily I was home when disaster struck. After much research, I learned it is highly likely the cause was the "white tuna".. actually escolar. Also, it does not affect everyone.. apparently it's like playing russian roullette. Here is a little article on escolar:

        www.divinecaroline.com/article/38/48425

        It is best to consume this fish in very small portions and grilled (dries up some of the oils).. although I will probably never eat it again.
        • Re: BEWARE

          Sun, June 1, 2008 - 8:48 PM
          I have heard this before, but have never experienced it myself. I order butterfish/escolar/super white tuna/walu EVERY chance I get too - since I don't see it around all the time/at every restaurant. So I guess its just a case of caveat emptor. Thanks for the link.
          • Re: White Tuna?

            Mon, June 2, 2008 - 11:16 AM
            I've had escolar locally every week for months with no ill effects, I'm glad 'cause it's one of my favorites!
          • Re: BEWARE

            Tue, June 10, 2008 - 4:03 AM
            Escolar is different from Walu...i have never heard of it called butterfish before, but white tuna/escolar has been one of my favorites since i found out about it. my local favorite place had a recent special with hawaiian king salmon and walu, and being such a huge fan of escolar, i gave it a try. they do look VERY similar, but the taste of each is definitely different..

            After reading that article below, i'm thinking i really dodged a digestive bullet...like another poster below, i eat a LOT of the white tuna. ;)

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